Straight Talk About Homosexuality and the Church

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What will the evangelical churches do in response to the rising tide of the gay rights movement in our society? As long-held attitudes change in our culture, is anyone out there prepared to guarantee that we won’t have gay marriage in every state in the next fifteen years? It might not happen, but that’s the way things are rolling at the moment.

So how will the evangelical churches respond? Note the plural. I’m thinking about individual churches, your local Baptist, Methodist, Bible, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Brethren, and Apostolic churches plus the churches of Christ and the various branches of the Church of God, and all the other local churches that consider themselves in the evangelical camp. What will the local churches do as homosexuality becomes increasingly accepted by our culture and as those who oppose it are vilified?

Two thoughts come to mind:

1. If people come into our churches (or more likely, arise from within the church–see Acts 20:29-30) advocating that homosexuality is not a sin, those people should be confronted, and if they do not repent, they should be shown the door. Here I’m not just thinking of homosexuals who say, “It’s okay to be gay” or “I’m gay and I love Jesus.” I am also thinking of those heterosexual Christians who have decided that homosexual behavior is not sinful. In every case, we listen, we debate, we show them the Word of God, and if they will not repent, we show them the door. 

And we can do it with a clear conscience, because if it’s a church they want, they can probably find one down the street that agrees with them. 

2. If people come in who struggle with same-sex attractions but affirm the biblical teaching on homosexuality, we welcome them as brothers and sisters in the Lord. Just because someone has struggled and fallen doesn’t mean they are not true children of God. We all fall short in many ways, and no one is without sin. We welcome anyone who wishes to live under the authority of God’s Word and who affirms the biblical teaching about sexuality. We all struggle with something so fellow strugglers are welcome in the church. 

The great debate about homosexuality–at least as far as evangelicals are concerned–is ultimately not about sexuality. It’s about biblical authority. Will we place ourselves under the Word of God and affirm what it teaches, no matter how imperfectly we may live up to what it says? 

Those who wish to redefine sexual ethics so that “gay is okay” are all around us. We know them, we may be friends with them, we may see them at the family reunion or work with them every day. We may have a Memorial Day cookout with them or watch a baseball game together. 

But we can’t worship together–not on the same basis, not with the same understanding of what the Bible says, not in the same churches.  

In the days to come, evangelical churches will be called upon to say to the surrounding culture: “Here we stand. God help us. We can do no other.” If that means friendships are broken, we will weep and let them be broken. Hopefully, we can remain friends even across the deep divide regarding obedience to biblical teaching. 

And to those who struggle with sexual sin of any variety, we welcome them to worship with us, knowing that it is only by grace that any of us are saved.

If I had to put it briefly, this is what evangelical churches will need in the days ahead:

Bold truth and sweet grace

Bold truth gives us the courage to speak God’s Word to those who do not want to hear it. Sweet grace enables us to reach out to hurting people in the name of Jesus because we ourselves were rescued by that same grace. 

That’s the best answer I can give–bold truth and sweet grace. We need them both and we need them all the time to send the right message to a culture that seems hellbent on self-destruction. 

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May 21, 2009, 5:55 PM Derek says:
KBM Website Administrator	I totally agree that this is first and foremost about Biblical authority and a lack of fear of the Lord. But I think it is also at least partly about sexuality and about us needing to gain a greater understanding and appreciation of its unique power to ensnare any of us in a variety of ways. Many people will rightly point out that all sin is equal in the respect that it separates us from God. However, we must also understand that Satan can do extraordinary damage to us, our families and our churches, if he can undermine us in our sexuality. It is for this reason that Paul says in Eph 5, “there should not even be a hint of sexual immorality.” - compromise here is like playing with matches at a gas station. Revelation 2:20 also seems relevant to us today: “I have this against you,” said Jesus, “that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality...” What is interesting about this passage is that we see how Jesus feels (very strongly!) about ministers who use a ministry platform to teach doctrines that are specific enough to accommodate any kind of sexual immorality. Ten or 20 years ago, did we have contemporary examples of this in the evangelical church? I don’t think so - but we definitely have examples of this today. May the Lord help us to recover a reverent fear, a genuine love for God and His holiness, and compassionate courage to restore those who have fallen. May the Lord also graciously give us strength to withstand the heightened level of temptation we’re all faced with in this culture - especially our children!
May 21, 2009, 11:00 PM tcwaters says:
	You totally miss the point of the same-sex marriage movement, not to mention the role of religion vs government. Gay and lesbian people seek only civil marriage. There are already churches who happily offer commitment ceremonies to same-sex couples. That this does not fit with your own theological understandings, homosexuality isn’t the only major issue where there is disagreement as to theology. The distinction of civil marriage from religious marriage may seem difficult to grasp, it is nevertheless, a real distinction.
May 21, 2009, 11:17 PM Ray Pritchard says:
	I agree that there is a valid distinction between civil and religious marriage. I’m opposed also to civil marriage ceremonies for same-sex couples as well but that’s a story for another day. My greater concern is whether or not evangelical churches will have the courage to speak the truth even when it is not popular or convenient. Bold truth and sweet grace remains the right approach.
May 22, 2009, 9:37 AM feetxxxl says:
	what is in the essence of being homosexual that makes it evident that it is a sin? if evidence is merely thru regulation, then that is attempting to put believers under the law, and has nothing to do with being led by and serving the spirit, which paul says is how believers are to live in romans. even in regards to regulation show the words of the verses that you have assign this meaning to about homosexuality actually say it is a sin. be advised that merely repeating the verses shows nothing. because your understanding about homosexuality denies fellowship(honoring anothers sincerity of heart and life experiences) (1john1) , ALL INDICATIONS(paul’s galations explanation of the fruit of the spirit and jesus teachings about a good tree producing good fruit and we would recognize them by their fruit(fruit of the spirit)) ARE THAT SUPPORTING, AFFIRMING AND CELEBRATING homosexuality is christ and and your understanding is against him.
May 22, 2009, 6:07 PM Mark Pritchard says:
	“if evidence is merely thru regulation, then that is attempting to put believers under the law, and has nothing to do with being led by and serving the spirit, which paul says is how believers are to live in romans.” A number of problems arise from this argument. 1. Freedom in Christ is not license to experience everything without reservation. Freedom in Christ frees us from the chains of Levitical bondage, it doesn’t give freedom to act as if there is no standard by which God views right and wrong (if this were the case, there would be no Levitical law, and no need for freedom from Levitical law). 2. Living in the Spirit and being led by the Spirit would look much more like Christ and his teachings, not the antithesis of His teachings (murder, homosexuality, lying...all sin). If we’re to all live in the Spirit, by the Spirit, we wouldn’t strive to justify sin that is so clearly communicated as abhorrent to God (OT and NT references). 3. Christianity is not about unmitigated freedom...there are regulations. If we were talking about murder you couldn’t (or hopefully wouldn’t) make the argument that just because it’s a regulation doesn’t make it wrong. God has a standard of holiness that he has communicated clearly and consistently throughout scripture and fortunately it cannot be explained away through explaining freedom from regulation as freedom to sin. “even in regards to regulation show the words of the verses that you have assign this meaning to about homosexuality actually say it is a sin. be advised that merely repeating the verses shows nothing.” I could in fact cite plenty of OT/NT verses that would show that homosexuality is a sin. I could further make a case that throughout the Bible God has made it clear what his standard of holiness is and that without Christ we all severely lack, homosexual or not...but I’ll not waste your time with that because merely repeating verses would show nothing. “because your understanding about homosexuality denies fellowship(honoring anothers sincerity of heart and life experiences) (1john1) , ALL INDICATIONS(paul’s galations explanation of the fruit of the spirit and jesus teachings about a good tree producing good fruit and we would recognize them by their fruit(fruit of the spirit)) ARE THAT SUPPORTING, AFFIRMING AND CELEBRATING homosexuality is christ and and your understanding is against him.” The position that is being espoused may seem that it denies fellowship in the biblical sense, but that would be a mistaken interpretation of biblical fellowship. I cannot have biblical fellowship with someone who holds that homosexuality is not a sin simply because we’re not reading the same Bible. I can’t have fellowship in a religious sense with a Muslim Cleric because I don’t hold to any of his religious beliefs. However, if that Muslim Cleric is a fan of the Chicago Bears, he and I can eat brats and watch Jay Cutler skewer Green Bay. We’d be having fellowship, but not biblical fellowship. In regards to fruits of the spirit. Lots of good people do good things...this is not a measure of fruits of the spirit. Those that support, affirm, and celebrate homosexuality as part of freedom in Christ seem like they are doing good and inviting biblical fellowship. This just is not biblical fellowship, it may feel good, but I know lots of other things that feel good that would not measure up to God’s standard of holiness.
May 23, 2009, 9:38 PM Larry says:
	Ray, thanks for your position. I share it. And I appreciate your boldness and grace.
May 27, 2009, 4:35 PM JCScrub says:
Married mother of three	I agree that homosexuality is a sin according to the teachings in scripture. But, I can’t imagine Jesus “showing someone the door” because they don’t accept the error of our sinful ways. That attitude couldn’t be more un-Christlike. In the same scriptures we are taught to lead by example and embrace those who fight the word of God. You will never convince anyone they need to repent with angry words and unacceptable abandonment. I am not perfect and I pray every night that God gives me the strength to live like Jesus and embrace the unlovable and lead the lost to his word. I will keep you in my prayers tonight Ray. Learn to teach, embrace and love the people you condemn away from your church. Learn to not pass judgment but trust in God to turn your beautiful actions and love for your brother into a moment of truth for those who haven’t repented. Learn to truly long for their salvation just as God has longed for yours. Bless you Ray and I pray for you.
May 27, 2009, 4:58 PM Doug McLead says:
	Should slaves still be “good slaves?” “Perhaps “sweet grace” would show them the love of Jesus rather than the door. Must we repent of our hetrosexuality? “What will the local churches do as homosexuality becomes increasingly accepted by our culture and as those who oppose it are vilified?" When “sola scriptura” literally perceived replaces Jesus as the Word of God, the word has indeed been vilified. Oh! but if we were able to give up our need to be right for our need of the love of Jesus. Some one said if you run into one person who says: ‘the Bible I read says...’ and another who says: ‘the Jesus I know says...’ there is no hope of bringing them together until the world turns a few more times." See you then
May 27, 2009, 6:37 PM Derek says:
KBM Website Administrator	JCScrub - It is one thing to acknowledge our status as sinners who desperately need God’s daily forgiveness and power to overcome sin in our lives. It is another thing entirely to justify ourselves even when while we are actively rebelling against God. Take for instance, a sad scenario many pastors and elders have had to confront at one time or another: a man cheats on his wife, is caught, but... - refuses to repent - refuses counsel - refuses discipline - refuses to step down from a leadership position What then do we do? We do what Scripture teaches us so unambiguously in 1 Corinthians 5, particularly in matters of sexual immorality - we exercise church discipline because a cancer is in the body of Christ. Aggressive, decisive action is the remedy prescribed by God. Secondly, we must understand that the ultimate purpose in exercising church discipline and/or excommunication is ultimately redemptive in nature. Redemptive for the individual, restorative to those who have been wronged and essential for our protection from an evil one who wants this spiritual cancer to eventually spread to the entire Body (of Christ). Now, on the surface, this appears harsh and unforgiving to many of us. But if we really look at it from God’s perspective, as I think 1 Cor. 5 helps us to see it, we see that God’s remedy is the truly compassionate and Gospel affirming response. Thanks for writing your thoughts, JCScrub - I have no doubt that you speak for many well intentioned Christians who do want us to be grace filled in all of our actions and words. However, we must be careful not to replace grace, as it has been defined for us in Scripture, with sentimentality.
May 28, 2009, 10:49 AM JJohnsonFlorida says:
	I agree 100%. It will be difficult (and it is), but I feel it we should hold the same standards to those who are openly having an affair, or stealing, or lying...SIN IS SIN and we must confront and help each other repent, as we ALL SIN.
May 28, 2009, 11:04 AM ACasas says:
	This isn’t a matter of our personal opinion. This is a matter of what the BIBLE, God’s Word, says. The Word is very clear. If we say we are Christians and yet don’t want to accept or obey the Word, we need to examine our hearts. We cannot accept the Word in partiality. This is what the Word of God says clearly... (1 Cor 6:9- 11) Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 5:1-2) It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father’s wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? LET HIM WHO HAS DONE THIS BE REMOVED FROM YOU. (1 Cor 5:9-13) I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges[b] those outside. “PURGE THE EVIL PERSON FROM AMONG YOU." Allowing lifestyles of sin in the church family perverts us and corrupts us. The whole body suffers. We are now experiencing the consequences of not confronting sin within the family of God.
May 29, 2009, 6:05 AM Ray Pritchard says:
	Excellent discussion all the way around. I want to repeat a point I made earlier because it seems to be the crux of the matter. 1) Some people believe homosexuality is a sin. 2) Some people believe homosexuality is not a sin. Those two groups cannot and should not be in the same church together. On a fundamental moral issue, they do not read the Bible the same way, they do not have the same system of morality, they do not same the same worldview, and I dare say they do not really share the same religion. I’m not saying that unrepentant homosexuals should be barred from going to church. After all, they can probably find plenty of churches that will welcome them under the banner of being “inclusive” or “tolerant” or even of “having the spirit of Jesus.” If unrepentant homosexuals wish to go to liberal churches, that’s wrong on several levels (they need to repent from their homosexual behavior and turn to the Lord), but there are plenty of churches that will take them and make them heroes. My concern is for evangelicals churches to hold the line. If we say we believe the Bible, then we must say to those who deny their own sin, “We have no place for you here.” When those people are willing to be judged by God’s Word and confess their own sin, they should be and will be welcomed to worship with us. Fellow strugglers who admit their sin are always welcome. But you can’t help people who don’t admit they have a problem.
May 29, 2009, 3:58 PM Garth Madden says:
	Hmmm, I might be misunderstanding what you’re saying, Mr. Pritchard, but if a person at my Bible believing church professes to be a believer and is a practicing homosexual - and is openly justifying it - aren’t the elders obligated to excommunicate them, based on 1 Cor? Obviously, this assumes that multiple attempts have been made to lovingly confront. I don’t want to pick on a group here, like homosexuals - I’m thinking of a specific situation at a church I attended where a proclaiming believer was discovered to have stolen books from his employer. In this particular situation, he seemed to feel badly about it, but not enough to make restitution or apologize to his employer. Very sticky situation, because on the outside he demonstrated partial signs of repentance, though the Bible teaches that true repentance is demonstrated by action, right? Maybe we’re so afraid of lawsuits that we don’t apply what appears to be pretty clear teaching in Scripture on this, and are afraid to discipline or remove unrepentant believers from our worship? Obviously, if the person is a seeker and does not profess Christ, I certainly agree we welcome a practicing homosexual or adulterer or transvestite, to use a few examples - I think we welcome most anyone short of a child abuser or murderer (in which case we just report them to police for the church’s physical protection, I assume). What do people think about this?
May 30, 2009, 10:05 AM Ray Pritchard says:
	Garth, you and I are saying the same thing. We welcome anyone and everyone to attend our services. However we will not welcome into membership (or leadership) anyone who believes that homosexuality is not sinful. And as you pointed out, if after repeated attempts to show them what the Bible says, if they persist in supporting homosexuality (in theory or in practice), they should be excommunicated exactly as 1 Corinthians 5. It is a fine balance we must have—loving both the truth and those who reject the truth. We must sometimes love them enough to do things that may not seem very loving to them at the time. But if we do what is right, God may grant them repentance leading to everlasting life. Ray
June 5, 2009, 8:05 AM Byron says:
	Dead on, Ray. Well-put!
June 5, 2009, 11:22 AM smijer says:
	Cool... can we purge the paedobaptists next?
June 5, 2009, 1:39 PM Reggie says:
	Show them the door? Seriously? Would you show somebody the door if they’re overweight, consummed by food, and they don’t think it’s a problem? Or how about somebody who has a habit of gossiping about others a lot and doesn’t see that as a problem? My point is I don’t see why homosexuals get preferential treatment. I’m not debating whether it is a sin. I am a devoted Christian who goes to a church who’s more concerned about preaching out of the book rather than preaching for popularity. But please tell me where in the Bible it says that being gay is more of a sin than other sins the Bible mentions. I’m not asking that in any negative way. I’m genuinely looking for an answer. I’ve just seen gay men and women discriminated so much, especially by Christians. IMO, it’s because it is a behavior that is outward and in your face and it makes people feel really uncomfortable as opposed to behaviors like pride which is more internal and socially acceptable. I think because of people’s discomfort, instead of acting out of love, they act out of fear or hate or they just simply don’t know how to deal with it.
June 5, 2009, 3:56 PM Derek says:
KBM Website Administrator	Reggie, Are you familiar with 1 Cor 5 and 6? I ask this in all sincerity. Assuming the answer is yes, are we missing some nugget of truth from this passage that would lend credibility to your argument? Grace and peace.
June 8, 2009, 1:19 AM tednbarb says:
Beloved Disciple of Jesus Christ	We have dealt with this situation personally with our adopted son. We understand what brought about these fallacies in His life, but he is now a grown man of 24. He must choose his path, but if that path is homosexuality or bi-sexuality, we can not condone it. He knows that we love him, and we have walked him through the scriptures several times. He is now seeing a young woman and purports that there are no men “in that way” in his life. I have stood against this with him, and I will continue to stand on the word of God. If I compromise on this one issue, why not compromise on others? No, I will have compassion and love, but I will state clearly what the word says to Him and to others with these same propensities.
June 8, 2009, 9:37 AM Derek says:
KBM Website Administrator	tednbarb, thank you for sharing this. As some of the blog comments right here illustrate, many Christians struggle with the question, “How do I share painful or confrontational truths with those I love?” There are likely many people reading this blog entry who have loved ones caught up in a alcohol addiction or gambling habit, etc, who have this same question. You have given a beautiful and simple testimony to all of us - the answer to this difficult question is that we point them to the Word of God and we do so in the most firm and loving way we possibly can, so that our friend or loved one knows that we deeply care about them and want to see them fully restored.
June 10, 2009, 5:01 AM Coveredoptions says:
Listening to HIM	Although I too believe homosexuality is a sin. Homosexuality is = to all other sins. Therefore, if we “show them the door” all others must follow. But maybe this is what God is looking for: did he say go or come ye?
June 18, 2009, 7:00 PM Callum says:
	This is the most ridiculous thinkg I have ever heard, Homosexulaity is not a sin, people are born Gay they dont choose it, who in their right mind would choose to follow the hard path in life and be discriminated against and denied the chance to marry (in some countries anyways). Doesnt the fact that they were Born this way suggest that GOD MADE THEM THIS WAY, therefore intended them. Also, The CCC accepts that gays are born gay and says they should be treated with respect and compassion. If your true Christians then you wouldnt condem, or judge people on how they live their life, If a gay person attends your church how does this affect you in anyway?
June 18, 2009, 10:48 PM Ray Pritchard says:
	Callum, the only problem with what you wrote is that it ignores what the Bible says. If you prefer to do that, have at it. But around here, we do our best to take the Bible seriously and to apply it to life. Romans 1 is crystal-clear on this point. Homosexual behavior is a sin—always has been, is today, and always will be. That won’t change because it’s not dependent on what the pollsters say or the ruminations of judges in Massachusetts or Vermont. As far as judging goes, we don’t judge the heart because only God can do that, but we are certainly called to make judgments on the words and deeds of those around us. Be assured that homosexual behavior is not God’s will for any person, ever. And those inside the church who teach such perversion need to be counseled from the Word of God, and they should be given time to repent. If false teachers refuse to repent, they should be shown the door. Again, this really isn’t about sexuality. It’s about biblical authority.
September 30, 2009, 6:21 PM monica16 says:
	I do agree with what you are saying about homosexuality being wrong but as christians are we not to judge? I do not think we should show the the door and give up on our brothers and sisters. I believe that God has the power to change anyones heart, with prayer and faith who says that they can not change how they live their lives. I have a sister who claims to be a Gay but she is still my sister I do not agree with her life style but I still love her. I make sure I pray constantly for her knowing that I just have to PUSH pray until something happens God hears all our prayers and I believe in him that he answers them not on our time but his. Dont turn your back on our christians brothers ans sisters this is the the time they need us the most. Plus there are so many children struggling with problem everyday and because they are so scared that we are going to show them the door they wont even come to us for the help. Then we wonder why they go to their friends instead of talking to us. God Bless you and keep you.
October 1, 2009, 7:43 AM Ray Pritchard says:
	monica16, thanks for your note. You raise a good point. I am not suggesting that we should not be friendly or kind to people. But I’m talking about a very specific situation. The only hope for change is the gospel of Jesus Christ. if a person says, “I want to be part of this fellowship of believers and I want you to accept me as gay or lesbian and I want to take communion with you because I do not believe homosexuality is sinful,” we must kindly but firmly say “No” to that person. Remember where the point of difference lies. It’s not about the sin. It’s about living under biblical authority. Two people cannot walk together if they disagree about fundamental biblical authority. One persons says, “Homosexuality is okay and God will bless it.” Another person says, “Homosexuality is wrong and God will judge it.” Those people can be friends but they cannot serve together in the same church. We cannot lower our understanding of what the Bible says in order to make sinners feel more comfortable. Thanks for writing. Ray Pritchard
October 1, 2009, 3:25 PM bman77 says:
	There are some children out their who have homosexual tendencies at early ages. In my opinion, it would seem as though it would be acquired genetically. I can’t explain the phenomenon other than theorizing some sort of hormonal imbalance. I have had gay people tell me that they knew they were gay as children. This may not be true in all cases of homosexuality, but what do we do when it affects a child. Why would the Lord curse these children in this way? These are innocent children. Does this mean that they are going to hell because they are homosexual? What does the Bible say about children who are homosexual?
October 2, 2009, 10:37 PM butch88 says:
	Maybe what some folks need is to read “WHILE YOU WERE ASLEEP” by Erwin Lutzer Also the parable on Matt13:24-30 36-43. ponder on how the same sex came about——they united togather and grew so rapidly and are acheiving their goal.
October 6, 2009, 8:33 AM Ray Pritchard says:
	bman77, the truth is, we are all born with a tendency to sin. That tendency shows up in different ways in different people. I do not believe God “curses” children of homosexuals in any special way. The truth is, we are all in the same boat—all of us are sinners in need of God’s grace. The fact that some people feel same-sex attraction doesn’t make it right. The challenge for those folks is the same as for all of us—pursuing holiness by God’s grace. We all struggle in many ways. And apart from the grace of God, we would all end up in hell. Ray
October 6, 2009, 9:52 AM Derek says:
KBM Website Administrator	bman77, I commend to you an excellent commentary from Exodus International that was written in response to your question. Genetics may be one contributing factor among many (sometimes I wonder why there is almost no attention given to environmental factors here). But if we are a student of Scripture, we understand that sin has impacted the human race in too many ways to even count. That includes our genetic code. One person may struggle with same sex attraction, another person may not even be able to sip a drink of alcohol without becoming addicted. Yet, there is no temptation that God cannot help us to overcome.
October 6, 2009, 10:18 AM bman77 says:
	I like your points. My favorite part of the article is the posed question...If homosexuality is genetic, why do most — if not all — homosexuals have heterosexual parents? This made me realize that the genetic issue here could probably be applied to any psychological imbalance...or “inherent sinful tendencies” I am actually a living example of a “genetic abnormality” in the form of a mental disorder, bipolar disorder, I was diagnosed with at the age of 18. I was embarrased of it and felt mentally weak during my recovery process. Thankfully, I was blessed with the power of prayer and have been off my medicine for over 10 years now without any relapse. Some people say I was mis-diagnosed but I find that hard to believe after being hospitalized for 2 wks. and diagnosed by 2 different psychologists. If I could recover in this way, why can’t someone suffering from homosexuality recover as well. I guess I just answered my own question...haha. Thanks for the input guys.
October 6, 2009, 1:37 PM butch88 says:
	Good topic and very good inputs. Let us not deny the attractiveness of sin——-just don’t cave into it. The Bible is clear , although we read it and make up our own meaning. 1 corinthians 5:5; “ hand this man over to satan” ; means to exclude him/her from the fellowship of believers. For a reason this is written in the HOLY BOOK, .